Yes, I totally agree with you Wilson. I really enjoy figuring these problems out even though they can sometimes make you pull your hair out. Once I catch a good understanding of php I would like to try and make a chat site. Flash maybe. I am assuming all the coding for controlling the different parts like sending messages and controlling the A/V and admin/mods control are written in php. I know I probably got some time before I get to that point, but I am having a blast learning this.